Is Don Karnage a redeemable villain?

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Hey everybody! I was thinking the other day about the villains in TaleSpin, specifically about Don Karnage. Don Karnage was part of Kit's life for a year, and although he was never the father figure that Baloo is, he did (we can only assume) look out for Kit when necessary. (I say this simply because he survived a year with the air pirates, which would have been difficult to do without help from someone in a high place.) I know Karnage ordered Kit thrown from the vulture, but that's the only really bad thing I can remember him doing. (Oh, and creaming Cape Suzette with the lightning gun, that was pretty bad too.) So what do you all think?

Is he an irredeemable killer (or attempted killer)? Is he pretending to be ruthless so others will fear/respect him? Is he just a plot device? Does he have a sense of mercy or honor? Did he ever care for anyone besides himself? Is he redeemable?

So what are your thoughts and opinion

[kitckw]

Maybe but I doubt it.

But in the episode "Stuck On You" although Baloo and Karnage did fight with each other a few times (or more) at the end of the episode Baloo and Karnage actually have a short chat with each other (without trying to kill each other) and Karnage let Baloo walk away un-harmed.

Although (Since Baloo put glue on Karnage's coat tails ) I'm sure Karnage had a fit after he got glued to the seat of his plane.

Just thought I'd mention that.

I hope that this went with the topic.

Kitckw

P.s. Don Karnage is one out of 3 of my most favorite TaleSpin characters.

[ann29]

Would you really want Karnage to be redeemed? I mean, he works so well as a self-conceited, sword-wielding, language-mangling baddie that to make him into one of the good guys would be a shame. It would take away everything that he is and it would make TS take a nose-dive.

Btw, if you haven't noticed, all of the characters' personalities change a little from episode to episode based upon what is needed to drive the plot. For example, in "Ransom of Red Chimp", Karnage is pure comic relief, but in P&L, he's more of a cold-blooded criminal. In "Bygones", he's actively gunning for Baloo, but in "Stuck on You", he works with Baloo.

Did he ever care about anyone but himself? Only the guy in the mirror.

[Kit_Lee]

Nov 8, 2009 22:21:44 GMT -5 ann29 said:

Would you really want Karnage to be redeemed? I mean, he works so well as a self-conceited, sword-wielding, language-mangling baddie that to make him into one of the good guys would be a shame. It would take away everything that he is and it would make TS take a nose-dive.

Btw, if you haven't noticed, all of the characters' personalities change a little from episode to episode based upon what is needed to drive the plot. For example, in "Ransom of Red Chimp", Karnage is pure comic relief, but in P&L, he's more of a cold-blooded criminal. In "Bygones", he's actively gunning for Baloo, but in "Stuck on You", he works with Baloo.

Did he ever care about anyone but himself? Only the guy in the mirror.

Hello Ann!

Great to see you posting some more around here thats great to see.

I would have to agree with you on this..

I chose No my self for these reasons and others why I like Don being comical. I can not agree with him being Evil. I mean when he ordered Kit drooped in P&L that gave me reasons for Condemning him fully.

Kit Is a special bear cub and Don trying to hurt Kit was over the line.

To Quote for my Good buddy Kc5 form his post on Ts Source

In my opinion, Don Karnage is NOT a redeemable villain, in my book, he's as redeemable as NegaDuck from Darkwing Duck.

No matter how many "good" qualities he may have, he can never be redeemed for his attempted murder of a very special twelve-year-old bear cub. (Kit) What he almost did to Kit was unforgivable. Sure, I'll admit he's a funny character that I can get some laughs from, but I'll never see him as anything more than a villain.

I have to agree fully here Don may be comical at times as I said but him trying to hurt Kit was Unforgivable.

Agreed with You Ann and my buddy Kc5.

Don is Unredeemable in my book to

Nice Post Ann

Sincerely.
Your Friend,

Kit Lee
Christopher.

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[kitckw]

Yeah,ann29 is right.
The series probably wouldn't be like it is if Don Karnage was changed.
That and yes I'll admit it he is a self absorbed ego maniac with an ego that could probably go the size of his air ship and yes,he is the villian of TaleSpin. (There I said it
But I like the way Disney made him sound and talk in the TaleSpin series.
Whatever his accent is I like it and I think it and the way that he talks fits him very well in the show.
And yeah ann29, I agree in some ways he is comic releif.

And yes,ann29, I've seen those other episodes that you mentioned as well as just about all of them.

And just to mention it,I'm also a fan of Kit Cloudkicker.

Hope that all of you are doing well.

Thank you.

Your friend,

Kitckw

[kit4ever]

Regardless, if he is a redeemable villian, I find him to be just freakin' hilarious! Trying to be all romantic and suave. He does have a way of capturing the ladies hearts, but I can just imagine a date with him would end up with the girl slapping him in the face! LOL!

[fredvegerano]

Yes, I think.

[kitckw]

LOL! I think you're right on the Don Karnage dateing thing,kit4ever.
If he even managed to get a date she'd probably would end up slapping him.

Kitckw

P.s. I hope that you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas.

[kit4ever]

Dec 1, 2009 18:31:34 GMT -5 kitckw said:

LOL! I think you're right on the Don Karnage dateing thing,kit4ever.
If he even managed to get a date she'd probably would end up slapping him.

Kitckw

P.s. I hope that you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas.

Thanks, Kitckw! That is probably one of the top 5 worst things that could happen to you if you are a guy, getting slapped in the face by a girl after a bad date!

[kitckw]

You're welcome,kit4ever.

Kitckw

[Baloo]

Don Karnage seems to be more of an anti-hero/villain compared to your regular all-out villain. Just a regular pirate lawbreaker that looks out for himself. He's not really for anyone, but he's not against anyone either. He just goes after whatever ships he can plunder, and stay out of the way of the law.

[talespin1989]

i'm not sure really

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Nov 16, 2009 10:32:22 GMT -5 kit4ever said:

Regardless, if he is a redeemable villian, I find him to be just freakin' hilarious! Trying to be all romantic and suave. He does have a way of capturing the ladies hearts, but I can just imagine a date with him would end up with the girl slapping him in the face! LOL!

He probably slap  her back. A bad romance would suit Karny and he probably prefer a bad one over a good one even if he was redeem. One with lots of money would help him to behave. 

It is his choice to redemn himself and he did tried to kill a child. Can child killer be redemmed or killed downright? Kit did get him upset.It still doesn't excuse Karnage's behavior and doesn't make him a good father figure. He is also like a child because he has mental issues. He is worhty of love and can he give love? Most people aren't totally bad and there is good in most. Karnage really is selfish and conceited and cannot love anyone but himself making him shallow, but yet can he fall in love with someone else beside himself and make himself be loved by a girl?

[axle]

Don Karnage needs to get married and thrown out of air pirates to make him come to his senses.