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Post by chrisno51 on Jan 13, 2010 1:03:54 GMT -5
You are both right. Making an online petition with do nothing, but sit on a website. Sure lots of fans may come and sign it, but nothing more will happen with it. Basically all an online petition will do is make some fans feel better signing it. This is why I never said much on this thread in the first place. I do think we have a much better chance on sending our snail mail letters in, something all fans should do, as Tom expressed. I do remember a petition online that one young boy made, on a personal website for the cartoon Loonatics Unleashed, as he and many others save the Looney Tunes from the way the new artwork made them look, or something along those lines. however I can't find it any more, but it did make a small difference that I recall. Edit: the site is now long gone, which is why I can't find it, but here's info on it www.hecklerspray.com/eleven-year-old-boy-saves-bug-bunny-from-certain-death/2005336.phploonatics unleashed was canceled because it was a bomb which resulted in a lot of lost money. You see, that's just the thing. You can't just write a letter and say "Duuhhhh put Talespin back on the air because we miss Talespin" Where's the financial gain? I'm sorry guys but you have to realize, most people who watched Talespin are adults now and have lost interest in cartoons a long time ago. It may seem like there are a lot of fans when you spend time on retro themed websites. But in the grand scheme of things putting talespin back on the air would be a monetary loss and take time slots from preexisting shows that still have people working on them and willing to pay the money it takes to have their shows on that network. the dvds were released to see if there was any interest left in the show. the poor sales showed network heads thaty there aren't enough fans to warrant spending the money it takes to air a tv show. Think about it. The dvd sales were so poor that they didn't even bother to finish releasing the series. It really shouldn't be hard to figure out. I do have to tend to agree with you. If I did write to Disney at all on this, I'd ask that they finish the DVDs that they started, for the fan's sake. I wouldn't ask them to put it back on the air. Though putting back on the air would be nice, I don't see it happening, and if it did, it would be at a bad timeslot, more than likely. Networks do air a lot of old rerun shows, but mostly for time fillers or late at night when most are in bed. I feel they should at least finish the Disney Afternoon DVDs they started, it's only fair to the fans, but the company is focused on making money, and for the most part the want to focus on stuff that will make a big enough profit. They do care about their fans though, if they didn't they would have never bothered releasing any of the DA boxsets that they did. |
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Post by Duke_Igthorn on Jan 13, 2010 1:25:50 GMT -5
what would be ideal was if they utilized the age of technology we are in and set up an order form on the net. That way they don't have to worry about
A. releasing 5,000,000 copies and needing 10,000,000
B. releasing 10,000,000 and only selling 5,000,000
Numbers are only representary
This way they could have a team of people who make the dvds on an order by order basis. They would have to charge high prices for each set but that way fans can get official copies of their old favorite shows without resorting to bootlegs.
It's a tough spot to be in. You would like to do everything that the fans want but you have to stay responsible with the money.
But on the issue of running old DA. the only way it would work was if they made a new channel specifically for old tv shows. Find sponsors willing to shell out the cash, Run new commercials to pay for revenue, Only Broadcast 6am - 10pm, and only do a small cycle of shows at a time, Run the same block from 6am - 2pm as you would from 2pm-10pm. with maybe a movie from 1pm-3pm to space out the shows and give new viewers a reason to tune in. It would be hard to find an audience to watch the same old shows over and over.
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Post by steet on Jan 13, 2010 16:01:33 GMT -5
Petitions do sometimes work. After all, I myself had an official answer from Glenn Ross, the head of the animation production at Universal, which answered to us : www.animationsource.org/board/breaking-message-from-glenn-ross-himself-t4174.htmlOf course this wasn't a positive answer, but at least they DID read our petition and take the time to answer it properly. "We really like the Balto character and are pleased to know that there are people like you out there that are such big fans." See what I mean? And even if petitions rarely work, is it still a reason to "forget it" and don't try anything? How could Disney bring back a franchise like that, if no one let them know there are still people interested in it, almost 20 years later? Well, that's the key point of course. That's what companies are interested in, no matter what. But then, tell me : why did they make The Princess & The Frog, "where's the financial gain" when they could just have made another stupid CGI film which always make high grosses? Why bother returning to traditional animation? And yet, they did. (with average result on the box office, I admit) And if you want them to make something better than HORRIBLE shows like this...Why not just, for once, do something like making a new Ducktales series (which is a bit more popular than Talespin), with only a few episodes, just to try and see if viewers catch on? I don't think they would take much risk. How can they know people wouldn't if they don't TRY? |
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Post by Duke_Igthorn on Jan 13, 2010 17:07:18 GMT -5
Well, that's the key point of course. That's what companies are interested in, no matter what. But then, tell me : why did they make The Princess & The Frog, "where's the financial gain" when they could just have made another stupid CGI film which always make high grosses? Why bother returning to traditional animation? And yet, they did. (with average result on the box office, I admit) /quote] The financial gain behind The Princess and the frog was 1. rotoscoping costs lest than computer imaging 2. using stock animation is cheaper than creating new animation cells 3. They would have lost Roy Disney jr (This was before he died) I advise you to look up. "The Roy Disney jr Save Disney Campaign" Very interesting. I have had some serious talks about Disney over the years, being the nephew of one of the original 9 old men. Disney hasn't been a business in years, They have turned into a money grubbing corporation. Trust me when I say, Now that Eisner is gone and the traditional 2d artists are back you're going to see some big changes in Disney over the next couple years. Think Disney in the 90s. Only Problem is. Diane Disney is the only person left that knew Walt's true vision. At the end of the day Disney likes to pretend they are all about the fans but in actuality, There are literally thousands of executives you have to go through before you get to the head of the company. You may be able to get the attention of one of the execs but getting to the head is a different matter. In reality the only thing that has worked in the past is when when big important people have brought up problems. The people at Disney trust that they have a loyal fan base and that we'll watch what ever they throw at us. Which in a small sense is true. I have 2 kids and also work with classrooms of children. The topic of cartoons comes up quite often. Final analysis. Kids of today like what is being put out today. I have shown my class shows like Gummi Bears - Only the younger kids gave it a chance Talespin - every kid was begging me to turn it off Filmations Ghostbusters never even got chossen I could go on and on and on about the "experiments" I've done involving cartoons with my class. All the kids really liked the old TMNT though. you have to remember guys. There really isn't a demand for retro cartoons. Sure, people like us buy them. But we only make up a small percentage of the market they are after. TV is a finicky business. |
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Post by Kit_Lee on Jan 13, 2010 17:34:23 GMT -5
Well, that's the key point of course. That's what companies are interested in, no matter what. But then, tell me : why did they make The Princess & The Frog, "where's the financial gain" when they could just have made another stupid CGI film which always make high grosses? Why bother returning to traditional animation? And yet, they did. (with average result on the box office, I admit) /quote] The financial gain behind The Princess and the frog was 1. rotoscoping costs lest than computer imaging 2. using stock animation is cheaper than creating new animation cells 3. They would have lost Roy Disney jr (This was before he died) I advise you to look up. "The Roy Disney jr Save Disney Campaign" Very interesting. I have had some serious talks about Disney over the years, being the nephew of one of the original 9 old men. Disney hasn't been a business in years, They have turned into a money grubbing corporation. Trust me when I say, Now that Eisner is gone and the traditional 2d artists are back you're going to see some big changes in Disney over the next couple years. Think Disney in the 90s. Only Problem is. Diane Disney is the only person left that knew Walt's true vision. At the end of the day Disney likes to pretend they are all about the fans but in actuality, There are literally thousands of executives you have to go through before you get to the head of the company. You may be able to get the attention of one of the execs but getting to the head is a different matter. In reality the only thing that has worked in the past is when when big important people have brought up problems. The people at Disney trust that they have a loyal fan base and that we'll watch what ever they throw at us. Which in a small sense is true. I have 2 kids and also work with classrooms of children. The topic of cartoons comes up quite often. Final analysis. Kids of today like what is being put out today. I have shown my class shows like Gummi Bears - Only the younger kids gave it a chance Talespin - every kid was begging me to turn it off Filmations Ghostbusters never even got chossen I could go on and on and on about the "experiments" I've done involving cartoons with my class. All the kids really liked the old TMNT though. you have to remember guys. There really isn't a demand for retro cartoons. Sure, people like us buy them. But we only make up a small percentage of the market they are after. TV is a finicky business. Duke. Disney is not money hungry. I personally have talked with these fine people in working toward being a Disney park employ they do not I repeat do not only care for only money. Disney has many times tired to do what was right for the fans That was one of Roy's Wishes he did many times help save the company. The main reason We lost TaleSpin was cause of one man Michale Eisner. Eisner was never behind Talespin though he faked it for two years In the original run of 65 Episodes. The Toon Disney Edits were even Eisner's doing too. Please I ask in the name of many fans don't think of Disney as money hungry people sure it is a business but it's not all about money. Take it form a guy that spent a full day talking nothing but Talespin and The Disney afternoon with Disney park employees and casting agents. It's not about money. and I'm going to agree with Chrisno Bob Iger and Roy both gave us the DVDs. Give Disney a Chance like so many of us here don't lose faith. Can we move to a new happier topic? Sincerely Your Friendly Assistant Moderator ~Kit Lee Christopher. :0)  |
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Post by Duke_Igthorn on Jan 13, 2010 19:17:08 GMT -5
Well, that's the key point of course. That's what companies are interested in, no matter what. But then, tell me : why did they make The Princess & The Frog, "where's the financial gain" when they could just have made another stupid CGI film which always make high grosses? Why bother returning to traditional animation? And yet, they did. (with average result on the box office, I admit) /quote] The financial gain behind The Princess and the frog was 1. rotoscoping costs lest than computer imaging 2. using stock animation is cheaper than creating new animation cells 3. They would have lost Roy Disney jr (This was before he died) I advise you to look up. "The Roy Disney jr Save Disney Campaign" Very interesting. I have had some serious talks about Disney over the years, being the nephew of one of the original 9 old men. Disney hasn't been a business in years, They have turned into a money grubbing corporation. Trust me when I say, Now that Eisner is gone and the traditional 2d artists are back you're going to see some big changes in Disney over the next couple years. Think Disney in the 90s. Only Problem is. Diane Disney is the only person left that knew Walt's true vision. At the end of the day Disney likes to pretend they are all about the fans but in actuality, There are literally thousands of executives you have to go through before you get to the head of the company. You may be able to get the attention of one of the execs but getting to the head is a different matter. In reality the only thing that has worked in the past is when when big important people have brought up problems. The people at Disney trust that they have a loyal fan base and that we'll watch what ever they throw at us. Which in a small sense is true. I have 2 kids and also work with classrooms of children. The topic of cartoons comes up quite often. Final analysis. Kids of today like what is being put out today. I have shown my class shows like Gummi Bears - Only the younger kids gave it a chance Talespin - every kid was begging me to turn it off Filmations Ghostbusters never even got chossen I could go on and on and on about the "experiments" I've done involving cartoons with my class. All the kids really liked the old TMNT though. you have to remember guys. There really isn't a demand for retro cartoons. Sure, people like us buy them. But we only make up a small percentage of the market they are after. TV is a finicky business. Duke. Disney is not money hungry. I personally have talked with these fine people in working toward being a Disney park employ they do not I repeat do not only care for only money. Disney has many times tired to do what was right for the fans That was one of Roy's Wishes he did many times help save the company. The main reason We lost TaleSpin was cause of one man Michale Eisner. Eisner was never behind Talespin though he faked it for two years In the original run of 65 Episodes. The Toon Disney Edits were even Eisner's doing too. Please I ask in the name of many fans don't think of Disney as money hungry people sure it is a business but it's not all about money. Take it form a guy that spent a full day talking nothing but Talespin and The Disney afternoon with Disney park employees and casting agents. It's not about money. and I'm going to agree with Chrisno Bob Iger and Roy both gave us the DVDs. Give Disney a Chance like so many of us here don't lose faith. Can we move to a new happier topic? Sincerely Your Friendly Assistant Moderator ~Kit Lee Christopher. :0) I'm related to a few disney workers. My great uncle worked on Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, The 3 caballeros, Dumbo etc etc etc. I have been in areas of Disneyland that outsiders are not allowed to see and I have even spent time as Pluto at the park. Disney has a wide history of not treating it's employees with very much respect. I could go on about some very dirty underhanded things they have done. But they are not my stories to tell. I love Disney as much as the next person But Eisner turned the company upside down by only looking for money. I'm exciting to see what's going to happen now that all the problem execs are out of power. |
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Post by Kit_Lee on Jan 13, 2010 20:17:31 GMT -5
Duke. Disney is not money hungry. I personally have talked with these fine people in working toward being a Disney park employ they do not I repeat do not only care for only money. Disney has many times tired to do what was right for the fans That was one of Roy's Wishes he did many times help save the company. The main reason We lost TaleSpin was cause of one man Michale Eisner. Eisner was never behind Talespin though he faked it for two years In the original run of 65 Episodes. The Toon Disney Edits were even Eisner's doing too. Please I ask in the name of many fans don't think of Disney as money hungry people sure it is a business but it's not all about money. Take it form a guy that spent a full day talking nothing but Talespin and The Disney afternoon with Disney park employees and casting agents. It's not about money. and I'm going to agree with Chrisno Bob Iger and Roy both gave us the DVDs. Give Disney a Chance like so many of us here don't lose faith. Can we move to a new happier topic? Sincerely Your Friendly Assistant Moderator ~Kit Lee Christopher. :0) I'm related to a few disney workers. My great uncle worked on Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, The 3 caballeros, Dumbo etc etc etc. I have been in areas of Disneyland that outsiders are not allowed to see and I have even spent time as Pluto at the park. Disney has a wide history of not treating it's employees with very much respect. I could go on about some very dirty underhanded things they have done. But they are not my stories to tell. I love Disney as much as the next person But Eisner turned the company upside down by only looking for money. I'm exciting to see what's going to happen now that all the problem execs are out of power. Duke! Man my appoligies I had no Idea you were related to the Disney family of workers trough your great uncle. Man I am so sorry. I love the company with all my heart and Talespin so much so That my dream is to Play Kit Him self for Disneyworld in flordia. Yes I agree Esiner nearly ruined the dream Walt started and I hated Esiner so much for that. Plesae excue my last post to you. May I ask if you get time can you read the Talespin Story by me and My adopted brother Kc5 called Kit the Magician and let us know what you think of it to have a someone a fan that had a member of his family work for the Disney family tell us we did great would mean so much to us. And believe me I know some of the history about how Esiner's way went into the parks as well I want to tell you personaly that I feel the casting agent I have is a very nice guy and wants to help me be an employ. Duke I'm sorry I didnt know your great uncle worked for the company. I had no Idea at all. Sincerely Your Friendly Assistant Moderator ~Kit Lee Christopher. :0) |
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Post by kit4ever on Jan 13, 2010 22:48:11 GMT -5
If Walt Disney saw the money hungry execs, in even a few people at Disney, he'd roll over in his grave, because that is not what he envisioned when he started this, way back in the day. Give the fans what they want! Give us the 3rd volume of TS!
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Post by Duke_Igthorn on Jan 14, 2010 5:09:50 GMT -5
If Walt Disney saw the money hungry execs, in even a few people at Disney, he'd roll over in his grave, because that is not what he envisioned when he started this, way back in the day. Give the fans what they want! Give us the 3rd volume of TS! Walt saw money as a tool. He'd spend 2 million dollars (a lot back then) to make a picture that would get him 5 mil so his next picture could have a bigger budget. But he had his issues too. Like how artists could spend hours and hours and hours on cells only to have to sign Walt's name on them. There was even a point where Walt held a meeting to let his staff know that if any of the movies or shorts were to win awards. He would be the one to take them. Ub Iwerks even had to teach Walt how to draw Mickey's face so when fans asked him to draw mickey for them, he could. For years people thought Walt was the animator, But the truth is his pen hadn't touched paper since the early Alice in wonderland shorts. here's my favorite Walt story I advise any Disney Fanatics to read the Book Walt Disney: The Animated Man. It's the only book credited by Diane Disney to be the most true to life story of her father Walt. |
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Post by kit4ever on Jan 30, 2010 12:48:22 GMT -5
I'll sign.  kit4ever |
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Post by muttley1234 on Feb 3, 2010 17:34:39 GMT -5
I'll sign!!!!
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